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Offline Mike_Berkshire

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Mike's CB550 Project
« on: May 15, 2024, 11:47:04 AM »
Thanks all so far with the help in my initial steps with this project: rebuilding the carbs to get the bike running pre-stripdown, removal of the stuck rocker cover, knocking out the shock mounts from the swinging arm, removal of the steering races and identification of mystery parts along the way. The bike is now stripped down apart from the bottom end which Im intending to leave intact and, so far the wheels are still 'bearings in'. The first outside job of repainting the frame, swinging arm and various other brackets etc should start tomorrow.

Whilst Im waiting for the frame painting I am getting on with the head. All valves etc are out, the head is decarboned and Im now decarboning the valves pre to lapping them in. Whilst working on the inlet valve for #2 cyclinder I can see there is damage/an imperfection in the valve face (see picture). Should this valve be replaced with a new one and if so is it OK to replace one valve only? I have checked piston #2 and there is no sign of any impact damage on the piston. Also there is a single valve collet hiding somehwere on the floor of the shed which Im hoping to find but is so far proving elusive. Thanks, Mike

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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2024, 12:26:52 PM »
I had a similar damaged valve on my 400 exhaust valve - just the one like you.

I found a good used valve that (Steve at 400fourbits) I did not need to have refaced so it was an inexpensive fix.
I was able to do a normal had grind presumably as it was a standard factory cut valve.
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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2024, 12:56:53 PM »
PM me your address and i will send you a used one

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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2024, 01:52:37 PM »
PM me your address and i will send you a used one
Thank you so much Bryan. I have sent you a PM.

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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2024, 01:56:34 PM »
So de-carbonising the inlet valves was easy. The exhaust valves less so. The deposits on the valve face & stem are like concrete. I am assuming this is normal (?) Are there recommended ways of removing the deposits from the exhaust valves? As the crust is so hard Im worried about damaging the valves. I have been using a Dremel clone with softish Scotchbrite mini-mops.

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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2024, 02:15:53 PM »
Steel wire wheel on bench grinder or in drill and yes it does feel like concrete

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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2024, 02:16:46 PM »
Call me a vandal - I put my valve in an electric drill using an old screwdriver holding it as a cutting tool. I kept away from the vet edges then finished the job with 400 grit Wet & Dry.
Honda CB400NA Superdream (current money puddle)
Honda CB500 K1 (second money pit)
https://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,28541.0.html
Honda CB400 four super sport (first money pit)
Link to my full restoration http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,23291.0.html
This is a neat 500 restoration in the USA.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.msg1731556.html#msg1731556

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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2024, 03:49:43 PM »
Call me a vandal - I put my valve in an electric drill using an old screwdriver holding it as a cutting tool. I kept away from the vet edges then finished the job with 400 grit Wet & Dry.
That’s quite reassuring Ted. I will continue Dremelling for now then. You don’t say if the bike ran or not after you did this though; I assume it did :-)

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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2024, 05:00:20 PM »
Call me a vandal - I put my valve in an electric drill using an old screwdriver holding it as a cutting tool. I kept away from the very edges then finished the job with 400 grit Wet & Dry.
That’s quite reassuring Ted. I will continue Dremelling for now then. You don’t say if the bike ran or not after you did this though; I assume it did :-)

Yes it ran and still does - I've used this method for decades on mainly on car engines in the days of leaded petrol.
Honda CB400NA Superdream (current money puddle)
Honda CB500 K1 (second money pit)
https://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,28541.0.html
Honda CB400 four super sport (first money pit)
Link to my full restoration http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,23291.0.html
This is a neat 500 restoration in the USA.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.msg1731556.html#msg1731556

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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2024, 11:09:04 PM »
Same method I've always used Ted. I use an old electricians screwdriver with a slight radius filled into the edges to prevent any digging in. I go very, very gently on the carbon followed by some wire wool and oil.
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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2024, 07:19:09 AM »
Dremel with wire brush worked for me.
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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2024, 03:14:22 PM »
Thanks to all the tips on decarbing the valves they are all now cleaned up and shortly i will get to grinding them in on the sparkly clean head. I decided to do some work on the forks next. I read the manual (Haynes) and watched a couple of YouTube tutorials and all seemed fairly straightforward. I followed the steps draining the oil, pre-loosening the bottom Allen screw, removing the top 22mm fap and the spring but, I cannot now get the Allen screw out of the bottom of the fork leg to relase leg form top tube. The bolt just spins around; I assume it screws into the bottom of the damper tube which is rotating with the screw. I have tried pulling on the chrome fork tube, pushing on it to create some tension but no joy. Have I approached this incorrectly or is there a knack to this that I havent discovered? Any advice would be very welcome. Mike

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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2024, 04:33:21 PM »
Iirc a suitable sized brush stale has been used by members in the past to prevent the rotation. I believe it's inserted down the fork leg to jam the inside part. Never had to do it myself so you might find it via the search facility.

I assume you have removed the spring.
Honda CB400NA Superdream (current money puddle)
Honda CB500 K1 (second money pit)
https://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,28541.0.html
Honda CB400 four super sport (first money pit)
Link to my full restoration http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,23291.0.html
This is a neat 500 restoration in the USA.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.msg1731556.html#msg1731556

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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2024, 04:54:52 PM »
Thanks for the suggestion. The spring is out so will look for a suitable piece of wood and have another go.

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Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2024, 05:38:57 PM »
When I removed mine I used a cordless Impact tool to undo the hex bolt. I did not encounter the turning problem if your is turning sounds as if it should undo with a bit of wedging.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2024, 06:25:38 PM by McCabe-Thiele (Ted) »
Honda CB400NA Superdream (current money puddle)
Honda CB500 K1 (second money pit)
https://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,28541.0.html
Honda CB400 four super sport (first money pit)
Link to my full restoration http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,23291.0.html
This is a neat 500 restoration in the USA.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,151576.msg1731556.html#msg1731556

 

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